tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post7247190935137344544..comments2023-11-03T15:48:35.688+00:00Comments on Paul Linford: A very un-British state of affairsPaul Linfordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01977920120772282561noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-29489709278291166522007-02-18T14:42:00.000+00:002007-02-18T14:42:00.000+00:00David,Touchy, touchy!My view on homosexuals has be...David,<BR/><BR/>Touchy, touchy!<BR/><BR/>My view on homosexuals has been (and remains) if they don't do it in the street and frighten the horses, its OK by me.<BR/><BR/>By the way that goes for 'straights' in places like Ayia Napa in the summer.<BR/><BR/>You will be pleased to know that the Retiring Collection (i.e. hitting the punters as they break for the car park) at Church today Sunday (18/2/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-67798251438874025872007-02-17T21:59:00.000+00:002007-02-17T21:59:00.000+00:00BryanBasically, you want to discriminate against h...Bryan<BR/><BR/>Basically, you want to discriminate against homosexuals, and you don't think women's reproductive organs are their own business.<BR/><BR/>That's it, isn't it?<BR/><BR/>DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-33215591717018606622007-02-16T15:18:00.000+00:002007-02-16T15:18:00.000+00:00Dear David ‘statist’ Gladwin,I think you actually ...Dear David ‘statist’ Gladwin,<BR/><BR/>I think you actually gave an answer in your last post i.e.<BR/><BR/>‘Anyone can decide, if they're happy with the potential impact on their employment, to opt out of a process on the basis of their faith. “<BR/><BR/>You would discriminate against individuals base on faith, in the case of my daughter's opposite to abortion.<BR/><BR/>Who knows if this is a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-35056973885251881902007-02-14T22:18:00.000+00:002007-02-14T22:18:00.000+00:00PaulIt's not exactly a question of organisations o...Paul<BR/><BR/>It's not exactly a question of organisations or individuals; more a case of whether religious beliefs confer an entitlement to discriminate against others.<BR/><BR/>Anyone can decide, if they're happy with the potential impact on their employment, to opt out of a process on the basis of their faith. This will make no difference to the provision of the service in question, and thus Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-32865348767846348572007-02-14T17:17:00.000+00:002007-02-14T17:17:00.000+00:00I don't particularly want to take sides...but if I...I don't particularly want to take sides...but if I am reading correctly your distinction between individuals and organisations, David, you would argue that although Catholic adoption agencies as organisations should not have the right to discriminate against gay couples, you believe that individuals within those agencies would be within the rights to refuse to deal with a gay couple? This is Paul Linfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977920120772282561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-54175184761923238172007-02-14T17:10:00.000+00:002007-02-14T17:10:00.000+00:00Hello David,You seem to be arguing that any organi...Hello David,<BR/><BR/>You seem to be arguing that any organisation, include voluntary organisations, can not express a preference for the people they deals with, be it customers or employees. However, individuals can withdrawal co-operation, even when ‘part’ of an organisation<BR/><BR/> If I have understood your thinking correctly: I hope my daughter, who is currently studying Medicine and is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-89057845382592209402007-02-14T09:17:00.000+00:002007-02-14T09:17:00.000+00:00BryanYou really ought to read more, you know.Once ...Bryan<BR/><BR/>You really ought to read more, you know.<BR/><BR/>Once again, you're confusing the right of an individual to enjoy freedom from discrimination with the right of an individual to exercise their own choice.<BR/><BR/>Your Catholic health worker would not be discriminating against anyone by refusing to take part in abortion procedures.<BR/><BR/>Of course, if a health authority were to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-89339440140753642902007-02-14T08:55:00.000+00:002007-02-14T08:55:00.000+00:00Well Dave that last one was very cryptic.Weasel wo...Well Dave that last one was very cryptic.<BR/><BR/>Weasel words indeed. Of course the first action of authoritarianism is to deny its existence. <BR/><BR/>You have given the world, well at least anybody who reads this blog, the benefit of your omniscient views on Catholic adoption agencies. Your sudden reticence on maintaining the right of Catholics to refuse to be involved in abortions seems Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-88166233349072959372007-02-12T21:31:00.000+00:002007-02-12T21:31:00.000+00:00BryanI'm sorry to disappoint you, but I really don...Bryan<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I really don't represent any state, just myself.<BR/><BR/>To borrow a phrase:<BR/><BR/><I>When <B>I</B> use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.</I><BR/><BR/>So there's glory for you!<BR/><BR/>DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-3403734371092413222007-02-12T17:40:00.000+00:002007-02-12T17:40:00.000+00:00Dave,Surely statists such as yourself should keep ...Dave,<BR/><BR/>Surely statists such as yourself should keep us Catholics dinosaurs fully appraise of the state line on subject such as abortion policy.<BR/><BR/>God forbid that we should offend against "Big Brother" by accident.<BR/><BR/>At least give us the pleasure of knowing we question the state approved line on abortion etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-85800506051082117262007-02-12T09:25:00.000+00:002007-02-12T09:25:00.000+00:00BryanIf I disregard something, it's because it doe...Bryan<BR/><BR/>If I disregard something, it's because it doesn't deserve my attention.<BR/><BR/>DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-79054699686752158252007-02-09T15:15:00.000+00:002007-02-09T15:15:00.000+00:00Hi Dave,You chose not to answer my question about ...Hi Dave,<BR/><BR/>You chose not to answer my question about campaigning for the exclusion of Catholics from medical services where they refuse to assist women seeking abortions, that speaks volumes to me.<BR/><BR/>I hope this whole fiasco will help to put the lie to Nu Lab wanting the 'Voluntary Sector' to help in social work: wanted they really want is services on the cheap.<BR/><BR/>I was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-57169674020178203942007-02-07T09:10:00.000+00:002007-02-07T09:10:00.000+00:00I think you're reading a little too much into my c...I think you're reading a little too much into my comments, Bryan.<br /><br />I don't want anyone to use religion (or anything else) as an excuse for discrimination.<br /><br />Moreover, I'm quite certain that those who currently defend such prejudice as a central pillar of their faith will in time come to be seen as dinosaurs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-16364976823085421422007-02-07T08:04:00.000+00:002007-02-07T08:04:00.000+00:00Well done Dave,
You confirm tht the net effect th...Well done Dave,<br /><br />You confirm tht the net effect this legisation, in the area f adoption, will be to push the costs to cental government up.<br /><br />I must admit listening to appeals for money from representatives of the Catholic adoption agencies, government funding rarely got a mention, the overall impression, left with me at least, was that they are a Catholic initiatives.<br /><brAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-74499893771339129062007-02-06T14:29:00.000+00:002007-02-06T14:29:00.000+00:00Sorry, Brian, but I'm not putting my hand in my po...Sorry, Brian, but I'm not putting my hand in my pocket to make up for anyone throwing out their toys because they're not allowed to carry on discriminating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-24055248852194983632007-02-06T13:52:00.000+00:002007-02-06T13:52:00.000+00:00I just hope statist like David Gladwin put their h...I just hope statist like David Gladwin put their hand in their pockets to make up the financial losses caused by the marginalisation of Catholics, in supporting adoption agencies, I will not support any UK based agencies in the future.<br /><br />In China and Vietnam the state as appointed bishops for the last fifty years, usually without recognition from the wider church. However, the recent Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-84973260776230321762007-02-04T16:20:00.000+00:002007-02-04T16:20:00.000+00:00Not at all... Is it not discriminating if you (as ...Not at all... Is it not discriminating if you (as you seem to want to) stop the Catholics from following their beliefs and traditions...?<br /><br />Honey WeeksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-32547825388290977972007-02-04T08:37:00.000+00:002007-02-04T08:37:00.000+00:00GE
You can prattle on as much as you like, but wh...GE<br /><br />You can prattle on as much as you like, but what this all boils down to is that you want to discriminate, and society won't let you.<br /><br />That's it, isn't it?<br /><br />DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-30109560996905956952007-02-03T17:46:00.000+00:002007-02-03T17:46:00.000+00:00Dear David
I agree with Honey - if Christanity i...Dear David<br /><br />I agree with Honey - if Christanity is true, we should not abandon it because you threaten that it is "socety's business" to take action against us<br /><br />You can dish it out - I wonder how you would feel if you were arrested for inciting religious hatred against Christians .... and Muslims .... and Jews .... and everyone else who does not accept your own Oppressive Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-6714541645613469442007-02-03T16:49:00.000+00:002007-02-03T16:49:00.000+00:00New beliefs, I don't think so...I am not a politic...New beliefs, I don't think so...I am not a politician (a "Weathercock"), I am a signpost. Christianity has served me well, and I have seen enough to know there is a God and he spoke to us through Christ. I am not afraid to say it. I do not regard the present situation as "conflicting views" it is a case of right and wrong.<br /><br />Many people are jealous of what Christians' have: view the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-36622113488157732162007-02-03T16:07:00.000+00:002007-02-03T16:07:00.000+00:00GE
I let it go last time, because you were rambli...GE<br /><br />I let it go last time, because you were rambling incoherently, but now you're accusing me of oppression?<br /><br />Wake up.<br /><br />Everyone is free to believe in whatever they like - Jesus, Buddha, Santa Claus, fairies, whatever. That's nobody's business but their own, and I hope they're having lots of fun.<br /><br />It's when they start wanting to discriminate against othersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-80968927488923997992007-02-03T09:16:00.000+00:002007-02-03T09:16:00.000+00:00Dear Honey
Thank you for your comments. I am enco...Dear Honey<br /><br />Thank you for your comments. I am encouraged that you & indeed David care about our Beloved Country enough to "post" your Comments on Paul's excellent Blog<br /><br />I am unclear as to exactly what course/s of action or inaction our Friend Paul is condoning or proposing which is for you an Occasion for DisApprobation <br /><br />I hope you will also reflect on the merits ofAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-84202854476248908392007-02-02T19:49:00.000+00:002007-02-02T19:49:00.000+00:00a) hypocrisy -- claiming to be a Christian while s...a) hypocrisy -- claiming to be a Christian while supporting, and propagating, a course of inaction that would result in wrong-doing. "Guilt through inaction".<br /><br />b) inconsistency -- claiming to be a Christian while condoning while proposing and propagating a course of action that involves wrong doing.<br /><br />c) dishonesty -- claiming to be a Christian when behaving as one i.e. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-63182188059955776062007-02-02T16:21:00.000+00:002007-02-02T16:21:00.000+00:00Honey
I am quite happy to let you go trolling all...Honey<br /><br />I am quite happy to let you go trolling all over my blog leaving these kind of comments - some bloggers would delete them. <br /><br />But if you are going to leave critical comments, at least let them be reasoned.<br /><br />I would like to know what it is about the above post which you feel to be (a) hypocritical, and (b) inconsistent or dishonest.<br /><br />Over to you.Paul Linfordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01977920120772282561noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12845739.post-9023802391614128382007-02-02T15:49:00.000+00:002007-02-02T15:49:00.000+00:00Mr Linford,
I can see why you are an "ex-lobby" jo...Mr Linford,<br />I can see why you are an "ex-lobby" journalist as opposed to a real, working, lobby journalist. You cannot even report the Bible correctly (let alone analyse it!). For someone who states that the Bible is a "Complete Guide to Life (and Salvation), the content of this blog entry brings to mind the word "hypocrite" is the kindest that I can think of... Do they actually let you Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com